June 8, 2025
Unraveling the Mushrioom Trial: Erin Patterson's Courthouse Drama
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This episode is from Friday's transcript from the Erin Patterson murder trial, focusing on the prosecutor's examination of Erin's Facebook messages and her account of inviting Simon and his parents to the fatal lunch.
• Lisa hosts with guest Louise
• Erin's Facebook messages allegedly reveal frustrations with ex-husband Simon and his parents
• Messages include phrases like "I'm sick of this shit" and "f them" which Erin claims were just venting
• A Witness testified that Erin had portrayed Simon as a poor father and complained about him to online friends
• Did Erin mention "important medical news" when inviting Simon to lunch
• Simon's text declining the invitation and Erin's response urging him to reconsider become key evidence
• The prosecution suggests Erin deliberately kept her children away from the lunch where mushrooms were served
• Testimony examines what the prosecution claims as a deteriorating relationship between Erin, Simon, and his parents in months before the incident
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Here it is in summary.
00:00 - Introduction to The Mushroom Murder Trial
01:36 - Erin's Facebook Messages About Simon
05:35 - Examining Family Relationship Dynamics
11:10 - Exploring Erin's Messages About Her In-laws
14:52 - Friends' Testimonies About Simon
18:13 - The Lunch Invitation Controversy
28:50 - Podcast Wrap-up and Thank You
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Hello and welcome to the Mushroom Murder Trial podcast.
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My name is Lisa and I have a very special guest today.
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She is Lake Macquarie's number one Real Housewives of Sydney.
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Podcaster, louise, how are you?
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I'm great Lisa, Lovely to be here.
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Lovely to be here.
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I've actually forgotten the name of what our podcast was when we were doing that the Real Housewives of Sydney Snark.
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Yes.
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We really need to revisit Season 2 because it's a bit juicy.
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Yeah, we might have to after this and after you finish your 1,000 jobs that you've got.
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Well, that's true, I mean, I do love a project.
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And here's one for you.
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On a Sunday morning.
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Yes, I know, only for you would I work on Sundays.
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But and also it's a long weekend too, so thank you, and thank you for everyone for listening today.
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We're delighted to have you here.
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We are going to read part of Friday's transcript in the Erin Patterson case.
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I'm obviously the prosecutor, right, and you are Erin, yeah, and you pitched it to me like it's the role of a lifetime.
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Well, mine is also the role of a lifetime.
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This Dr Rogers is so smart, she seriously doesn't miss a thing.
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But also Mr Mandy Erin's barrister he doesn't miss a thing either.
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There's some very smart people in that room.
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Yeah, great, Okay.
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Well, I'm excited to get into it.
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Shall we go.
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We shall Okay.
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On page six, there's a message that you sent on Facebook Messenger dated the 7th of December 2022 at 11.20.
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Correct.
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Page seven Quote Simon wants to walk away from his responsibilities too.
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Well, that's his choice.
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Maybe it's easier if he's not involved in even paying their school fees, means I can choose their school all by myself and I don't have to refer to him.
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If he wants them to go to school, then he can help pay for it.
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If he doesn't want to help pay for it, then I don't have to send him there, do I?
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So maybe it just means I have even more freedom about my choices?
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A blessing in disguise.
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So you agree that you sent the message on the 7th of December?
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I did.
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To your online friends.
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I did.
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Do you still say that you consulted Simon before moving the children to their new school?
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Again, it matters what you mean by consult.
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Did you mean I asked his permission, or do you mean did I tell him Advise, tell, I did advise, I did tell.
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Yes, so you still say in your position that you did tell him in March.
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I did.
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And I suggest that you didn't.
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But you disagree with that.
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I do disagree.
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In fact he went on the enrolment forms and the school fees forms for before that term started.
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Is it your evidence that there was a change in their relationship with Simon after the disputes about the child support and the school fees?
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Yes, there was.
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Tanya Patterson has given evidence that in the year leading up to the July 2023 lunch, she noticed that the relationship between the two of you had deteriorated a bit and you both no longer interacted as much together.
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Would you agree with that?
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I agree she said that, but then I remember she also said that there was possibly only the last six months from January 23, and I agree with that.
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Tanya also said and Simon didn't go on the Christmas holiday that year to New Zealand with you and the children and he didn't, did he, that's correct, he did not come.
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And was that because the relationship between you and Simon had altered?
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Um, I don't think I could.
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He didn't want to go to New Zealand, that wasn't.
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He went to Brisbane to visit friends.
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Matthew Patterson gave evidence that in recent years before the lunch you didn't participate a lot in family functions.
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You heard him give that evidence.
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Yeah, yeah, I did hear him say that.
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Yes, and do you?
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agree with that.
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No.
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Is it your evidence that you did participate a lot in family functions?
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Yeah, in the recent years.
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before the lunch so up until the first half of 2023, I don't believe there was a change in my participation.
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I think there was a change in family events through some of that time because there was a lot of covid lockdowns in 21 which affected how many gatherings there were.
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But other than that, if there was a gathering and I was invited, I went, went.
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So you say Matthew Patterson is incorrect when he says that in recent years before the lunch you didn't participate a lot in family functions?
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I think he's wrong about that timeframe.
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yes, he also gave evidence that the conversations between you and Simon were less casual than they had been previously.
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This is before the lunch.
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Yeah, that's true for that last six months.
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yes, Okay, so one of the children gave evidence through a recorded statement and evidence that, while you remain married to each other, the interactions between you both before the lunch were very negative.
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He did say that.
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Yes, do you agree with that observation of your son?
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I think our interactions were strained, yes, strained, yeah, they were.
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Not very negative.
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It depends what they mean by negative.
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But I mean I think we have already agreed several times that our relationship changed in that last six months.
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I think everybody has agreed with that.
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I want to ask you some questions now about your account of your relationship with Simon and his parents, and I want to take you to Exhibit 54, page 3.
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Do you need to read it?
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I know what it says.
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If that, answers your question.
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This is a message from you you sent on Facebook Messenger on 6 December 2022 at 10.19am.
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Yes, you recount that in that message about Simon's dad, Don, contacting you.
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Yes, and then at the end of the message you say quote this family.
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I swear to fucking God.
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I did write that.
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This expressed your true feelings about Don and Gail Patterson, didn't it?
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No.
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I suggest that you are wrong about that, Uh no, I'm not wrong.
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Go to page four, please, of the same exhibit.
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The top message is from you to your Facebook friends.
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It is Quote I said to him about 50 times yesterday I didn't want them to adjudicate.
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Now that's a reference to Don, correct.
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Yeah, it is.
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Quote no body bloody listens to me.
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At least I know they're a lost cause.
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I did write that.
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You sent it at 10.27am.
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Yes.
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And again I suggest it expressed how you truly felt about Don and Gail that they were a lost cause.
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No Agree or disagree, disagree.
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The next message below that, 6-12-22 at 10-38 am, sent by you on Facebook Messenger.
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Correct the first line.
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I wonder if they've got any capacity for self-reflection at all.
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You sent that.
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I did, I sent the whole message.
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Do you need to read the rest of the message?
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No.
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Do you agree that you are critical of Simon Patterson in that message?
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Yes, I was.
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Do you agree that you were sheeting some of his behaviour back to his parents?
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It does look like I did that, yes.
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Well, you did do it, didn't you?
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I was doing it.
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There's nothing seeming about it.
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I was doing that, yes.
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Page five, the same exhibit.
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Do you need to read that?
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No.
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It reads in part Don rang me last night to say he thought there was a solution to all of this if Simon and I get together and try and talk and pray together.
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And there are two emojis which you dispute are eye-rolling emojis.
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I do.
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Now we're in court and this is Lisa here discussing emojis and the meanings of emojis.
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I know the emoji she's talking about.
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So anyway, Louise, I was just saying that.
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How many times do you think emojis come up these days?
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Well, I don't know.
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I mean, and you know, they can be interpreted lots of different ways, can't they?
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Well, and there's so many emojis in the world, so many Different ones.
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Absolutely Depends what keyboard you're using, what phone, what device 100%.
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So that's just Lisa and Louise giving our opinion on emojis.
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Absolutely Depends what keyboard you're using, what phone, what device A hundred percent.
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So that's just Lisa and Louise giving our opinion on emojis.
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Yeah.
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Are you actually cooking eggplant?
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Oh, my goodness Right, keep it serious, keep it serious.
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We're in court, we're in court, and there are two emojis which you dispute are eye-rolling emojis.
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I do.
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Correct.
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Correct.
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A little further down, you said Don messaged to say he and Gail don't want to get involved in the financial things, but just, we will pray for the kids.
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Again, there's an emoji that you say is not an eye-rolling emoji, correct.
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Further down, that's when Don said they tried to talk to him that is Simon but he refused to talk about it.
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So they're staying out of it but want us to pray together.
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I'm sick of this shit.
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I want nothing to do with them.
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Correct.
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I did write that.
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I thought his parents would want him to do the right thing, but it seems they're concerned about not wanting to feel uncomfortable and not wanting to get involved in their son's personal matters.
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Are overriding that, so fuck them.
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I did write that.
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You wrote that I did.
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That's what you thought about, gail, and Don correct, fuck them.
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I wrote that and I was venting and I was frustrated.
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But I regret writing it and I'm ashamed that I wrote that.
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I suggest these were your true feelings about how you thought of Gail and Don.
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I disagree.
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And you weren't venting.
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I was venting.
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And that these feelings, these true feelings that you had persisted through to July 2023, correct, incorrect and early August no Same exhibit.
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Exhibit F, page 6.
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Oh sorry, exhibit 54.
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You're right, page 6.
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Oh sorry, exhibit 54.
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You're right, page 6.
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This is a message from you.
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It is.
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Dated the 7th of December 2022 at 11.20am it is.
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His parents sent me a message yesterday afternoon and Simon sent me one last night, but I've read neither and I don't think I will.
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I don't want to hear it.
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Simon's will just be horrible and be gaslighting and abusive and it will ruin my day, and his parents' message will be more weasel words about not getting involved.
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You wrote those words, I did.
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I suggest again that you were angry.
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They did not take your side against Simon Patterson, correct or incorrect?
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No, I wasn't angry, but I was frustrated and hurt.
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So you were frustrated and hurt when you wrote the previous message of fuck them.
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Yeah, I was.
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Not angry.
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No.
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Tell you what YouTube is going to have.
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A.
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They're going to be not passing this on because you know how it doesn't like swearing.
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Yeah, I don't know, it's got some kind of profanity filler, so sorry.
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If you want to listen on YouTube you'll have to dig Right.
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Same exhibit, page eight.
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You can read that message.
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You can see it.
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Sorry, the water just got stuck in my throat.
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Do you want?
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me to read it out loud or just read it.
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No, I just want to make sure you know what I'm talking about.
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Yes, I do.
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Quote his mum was horrified that I had claimed child support.
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Yes, why isn't she horrified that her son is such a deadbeat that I had no choice but to claim?
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That's the message you sent.
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I did.
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I suggest you were unhappy with Gail's response about you claiming child support at this point I don't know if I was happy or unhappy.
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I mean, clearly I wasn't happy, but I don't think unhappy is the right way to put it either, but I was frustrated, I think.
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And hurt.
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I don't think hurt is reflected in this message.
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I was frustrated, I was hurt about a lot of things.
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Yeah, I was.
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I want to go.
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I've finished with that exhibit now.
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Thank you.
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I now want to go to your Facebook friend's evidence.
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Christine Hunt gave evidence and I'll break it down.
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She said that you painted Simon as a father who was coercive.
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You remember her saying that.
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Yeah, I do.
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Who disagreed with you a lot.
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You heard her say that.
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I did disagreed with you a lot you heard her say that I did and in particular around some following up of medical issues.
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If one of the kids was not.
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Well, yeah, she did say that.
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She said you never seemed happy with his follow-up and his commitment to what was happening.
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Yes, she did say that.
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Was what Christine Hunt gave evidence of, consistent with what you had told her about, simon.
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No.
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Okay, so I'll break it down then.
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Okay, First, her evidence was you painted Simon as a father who was coercive.
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Agree that you told Christine Hunt that or disagree.
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Disagree.
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She also said that you told her Simon disagreed with you a lot and in particular, around some following up medical issues if one of the child wasn't well, did you tell her that or not?
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No.
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Did you tell her that you were never happy, or seemed happy, with his follow-up and his commitment to what was happening?
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I'm not sure what she's referring to there Follow-up about what I don't know what she's talking about.
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Do you agree that you posted that Simon Patterson was not a good father?
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Posted where?
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Do you mean in the Facebook group?
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I was in with Christine.
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Yes, no, yes in with Christine.
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Yes, no.
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