June 29, 2025

Ian Wilkinson: Unraveling the Deadly Mushroom Lunch at Erin Patterson’s House

Ian Wilkinson: Unraveling the Deadly Mushroom Lunch at Erin Patterson’s House
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Ian Wilkinson: Unraveling the Deadly Mushroom Lunch at Erin Patterson’s House
Ian Wilkinson: Unraveling the Deadly Mushroom Lunch at Erin Patterson’s House

Pastor Ian Wilkinson shares his firsthand account of the deadly mushroom lunch at Erin Patterson's home that claimed the lives of his wife and two others, while he miraculously survived. Inntjis transcript from the Erin Patterson murder trial: • Long-time pastor of Korumburra Baptist Church for 26 years • Describes his relationship with Erin Patterson as "friendly, amicable" but more like acquaintances • Received an unexpected lunch invitation from Erin through his wife Heather • Initially t...

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Pastor Ian Wilkinson shares his firsthand account of the deadly mushroom lunch at Erin Patterson's home that claimed the lives of his wife and two others, while he miraculously survived.

Inntjis transcript from the Erin Patterson murder trial:

• Long-time pastor of Korumburra Baptist Church for 26 years
• Describes his relationship with Erin Patterson as "friendly, amicable" but more like acquaintances
• Received an unexpected lunch invitation from Erin through his wife Heather
• Initially thought they were the only ones invited but learned Gail and Don Patterson were also coming
• Simon (Erin Patterson’s estranged husband) was invited but didn't attend
• Noticed Erin's reluctance when Heather and Gail wanted to see her pantry
• Observed Erin rejecting offers of help while plating the food herself
• Details how Erin used a different coloured plate (orangey-tan) while guests ate from matching grey plates
• Describes the beef wellington as "like a pasty" containing steak and mushrooms
• Confirms everyone had the same food items on their plates, though couldn't recall how much Erin ate

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00:00 - Introducing Ian Wilkinson's Testimony

05:50 - Ian's Relationship with Erin

10:54 - The Lunch Invitation

16:29 - Arriving at Erin's House

22:56 - The Beef Wellington Meal

30:15 - Duck Rescue Interlude

36:30 - Concluding the Trial Testimony

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Hello and welcome to the Mushroom Murder Trial Podcast.

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My name is Lisa, and guess who I have here today?

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Hello Louise, hello Miss, how are you?

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I'm very well, thank you.

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And Louise being here means one thing we're going to narrate one of the transcripts, and what we're going to do today is Ian Wilkinson's testimony to the court.

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So Louise is Ian Wilkinson's testimony to the court.

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So Louise is Ian, her first time pretending to be a male.

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Okay, I think I'm just going to talk normally.

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Yeah, I don't think I'll be able to do this.

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No, no, we don't want to do that.

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So thank you so much for coming in today, louise, to help us out with this.

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Always a pleasure, my love.

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I did promise it, so I had to come through.

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Yes, so away we go.

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I'm going to be Miss Warren, who is part of the prosecution, and, as I said, you're Ian William Wilkinson.

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Yes, which is handy, because that's actually my last name.

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Yes, did you know?

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That Spins me up.

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Maybe you're related.

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Maybe Could be.

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Okay, well, that's me starting as Miss Warren.

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Mr Wilkinson, could you state your full name for the court again, please?

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My name is Ian William Wilkinson and your occupation?

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I'm the pastor of the Corumburra Baptist Church.

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It's Corumburra, it's not Corumburra.

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Okay, you do the.

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I'm the pastor of the.

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Yeah, I'm the pastor of the Corumburra Baptist Church.

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There you go.

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We got it eventually, didn't we?

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Oh dear, how long have you been in that role?

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26 years Now.

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You were married to Heather Wilkinson is that right?

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Yes, when did you first meet Heather?

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What year?

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76.

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1976?

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1976, yes.

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And when did you marry?

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1979.

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You had four children together, is that right?

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Yes, that's right.

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And their names David, luke, ruth and Elizabeth.

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And you lived together in Corrumburra, is that right?

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Yes, and how long had you, did you live in Corrumburra together?

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I lived in Corrumburra 41.

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I got it right, you got it.

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I lived in Corrumburra 41 years, so together it must be about 39.

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Now, did Heather work in paid or unpaid employment?

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Initially she was a stay-at-home mum looking after our kids.

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She worked as a teacher's aide voluntarily, and that changed into a teacher's aide career, tutoring students in a special program, and then that changed into teaching English to migrants.

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So that's a career path, okay.

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And as at July 2023, she was 66 years old.

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Is that right?

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Sorry, she was 66 years old.

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Is that correct?

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Yes, and was she still working at the time?

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Yes, she was.

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She still working at the time?

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Yes, she was teaching English to migrants, all right.

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Did Heather have any siblings?

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Yes, heather had two older sisters, gail Patterson and Lynn Young.

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And Gail was the older.

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Is that correct?

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Gail is the oldest, lynn is the middle sister.

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Heather is the baby of the family.

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Gail was married to Donald Patterson is that correct?

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Yes, and they had four children.

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Is that right?

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Yes, and their names Simon, matthew, nathan and Anna.

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Now Gail and Don, as he was commonly known.

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Is that right?

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Yes, they also lived in Corranborough, is that correct?

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Yes, that's correct.

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And not too far from your place, as I understand it?

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Yes, that's correct.

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Probably about a kilometre.

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Were you close to them?

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Yes, we were very close to them.

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You'd see them regularly.

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Yes, very regularly.

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When you say very regularly, would you be able to put frequency on it?

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It varies, of course, but I'd say probably three times a week.

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Okay, now, simon was the eldest child.

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Is that correct?

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Yes, and he was married to Erin Patterson.

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Yes, and they had two children.

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We can't say their names, is that right?

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That is correct.

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Now, is it the case that you came to know Erin through Simon?

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Yes, that's the case.

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I want to ask you about your relationship with Erin Patterson.

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How would you describe your relationship with her?

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I would say our relationship was friendly, amicable.

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It didn't have much debt.

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I think we were more like acquaintances.

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We didn't see a great deal of each other.

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Did Erin attend the Coranborough Baptist Church?

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Yes, she did.

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Did she attend often or otherwise?

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Once again, it's very hard to quantify because things change over time.

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There would be periods where she didn't come for a while and other times where she was much more frequent.

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If I had to say something, I think it would maybe be monthly or something like that.

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Okay, on the average.

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Okay, can I just ask you?

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Your voice is dropping a little bit, which is understandable, but if you could try and keep it up so the jury can hear you, okay, okay, thank you.

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Now, as I understand it, with the church services when the COVID pandemic hit you or the church began streaming services so people could still attend, yes, that is correct, and Simon and Donald were very much in charge of that.

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Yes, that is the case.

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And did Erin also assist or share responsibility for that?

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Erin did share some responsibility there and typically, what was her role in relation to this, as I think I understand it, she was helping establish the YouTube link to the service it.

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She was helping establish the YouTube link to the service.

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Okay, on the occasions Erin did attend church, did you have much to do with her?

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We would have some casual conversation.

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She would talk about the family, how you're going, that sort of conversation.

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Okay, all right, now that's.

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I've come asked you about your relationship with Erin.

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Can I ask you, based on your observations, how would you describe Heather's relationship with Erin?

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Very similar.

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Heather would have seen Erin more than me, talked to her more than me, but we didn't consider that relationship was close.

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And, again based on your conversations, how would you describe Erin generally as a person?

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She seemed like a normal person to me, you know, as I say, when we met, things were friendly.

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We never had arguments or disputes, or she just seemed like an ordinary person?

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All right, I don't know how to describe it.

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No, that's fine.

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I think you've done it.

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Now, in terms of Erin and Simon's relationship, again based on your observations, Firstly, can I ask you was it your understanding or to your knowledge that they lived in Western Australia for a period of time after they first married?

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Yes, and then at some point they returned from Western Australia to Victoria.

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Yes, do you know where they lived when they returned?

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Firstly, they lived just out of Corrumburra, near a small community, beena, and then they moved into Corrumburra Okay, from that point, were you aware of any issues or difficulties within the relationship?

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They began living separately?

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Yes, did you have any conversation with either Erin or Simon about the relationship, about those difficulties?

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I didn't have any conversations with Erin, a couple of conversations with Simon, all right.

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Now, in the period when Erin and Simon were living together, did you ever go to their house?

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Yes, when they first moved in, okay, when they first moved in, heather and I went out to visit, yes, did you go inside?

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No, where did you go?

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Well, we were outside the house and in the driveway, I suppose you'd call it, and we spoke there, all right.

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Were there any other occasions when they were living together that you went to their house?

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Not, that I recall.

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And from the period when Erin and Simon began and continued to live separately, did you ever go to Erin's house prior to July 2023?

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Yes, I recall going to a house at Shelcott's Road where Erin was living.

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Was that Shelcott Road?

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Was it Shelcott's Road?

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Yes, was it that you, or you and Heather, heather and I Did you go inside?

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No, we spoke to Erin on the doorstep.

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Had you and Heather ever gone for a meal or otherwise shared a meal with Erin before July 2023?

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No, we were eating together at times family occasions, christmas party, that sort of thing.

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Where were those types of events typically held?

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Typically at Don and Gail's house?

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All right, now I'm going to ask you about the lunch that occurred on July 29.

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Before I get to that, can I ask you how did it come about that you attended that lunch?

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Erin extended an invitation through Heather at church.

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Do you know when that invitation was extended?

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It was reasonably close to the time of the lunch, either the week before or two weeks before.

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Were you present when that invitation was extended?

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No, I wasn't present.

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When I ask were you present?

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Were you present at the church but not present with Heather?

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At the time, we were all at the church and I wasn't present with Heather and Erin when the invitation was made.

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Thank you, how did you become aware of the invitation?

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Heather came through.

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I was still in the main body of the church.

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She came through from the hall and told me that we'd been invited to Erin's home for a meal, as best you can.

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What exactly did Heather say to you at that point?

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Well, she was fairly excited and she said it's good news, sort of thing.

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I really can't remember in detail.

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That's okay.

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Did Heather say whether or not there was any particular reason given for the lunch?

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There was no reason given for the lunch and I remember talking to Heather wondering why suddenly the invitation?

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How did you feel about the invitation?

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Suddenly the invitation?

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How did you feel about the invitation?

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We were very happy to be invited.

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Yes, it seemed like maybe our relationship with Erin was going to improve.

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You were happy to be invited.

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I take it you were happy to accept the invitation.

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Were you aware if anyone else had been invited?

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Firstly, at the point where you became aware that you'd been invited, at the point we were invited, we thought we were the only ones invited.

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I think Heather had some conversation with either Don or Gail and we became aware that they had also been invited and that Simon too was invited.

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Okay, heather kept a diary is that right?

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Yes Of appointments or engagements.

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Yes, she was very meticulous with keeping arrangements and is this something she would have noted down in her diary from your experience?

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Yes, for sure.

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I just want to ask you to have a look at this document.

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Firstly, these are photographs.

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That's a.

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Do you recognise that?

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Yes, what is that?

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That is her diary From 2023, is that right?

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Yes, okay.

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And then if we go to the next photograph, please, do you see there that this is a photograph of entries in the week of July, commencing 24th of July 2023?

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Yes, okay, his Honour, I'll just interrupt you, miss Warren.

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You're going to tender these photos.

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Miss Warren, I will.

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Yes, your Honour, yes, hashtag exhibit five photographs of Heather Wilkinson's diary.

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His Honour, can we get these uploaded, miss Warren?

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Yes, his Honour, have you got those?

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Ladies and gentlemen, he's talking to the jury.

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Thank you, all.

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Right.

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Now I'm back to Miss Warren.

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I might ask my instructor just to zoom in on the weekend, the Saturday.

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Perfect, okay, mr Wilkinson.

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If we look at Saturday 29th of July, firstly, there's in red writing Jeff 67.

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What was that in reference to?

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In red writing Jeff 67.

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What was that in reference to?

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That's in reference to our friend Jeff's 67th birthday, and there is an arrow pointing up to the day before.

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Yes, that's the day you were going to get together to celebrate his birthday, and I'll ask you about that in a moment.

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If we look below I beg your pardon to the right of that, as we look at the screen, it says 3 pm.

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I think that's here.

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Yes, angela, and I might need your help with this.

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Okay, what's that in reference to?

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That's in reference to a meeting, a preparation meeting for a meeting at church the following day.

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Jenny is the church secretary.

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Jenny is the church secretary.

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Angela is the church treasurer, the head of the congregational meeting.

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We would typically get together to make sure reports and business and so on were all properly arranged.

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Okay, so is it scheduled for 3 pmpm on that day, on that Saturday?

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That meeting was scheduled for 3pm on that day at our home.

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And what does IW refer to?

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I presume it refers to me.

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And then, below that, errands for lunch.

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Errands for lunch.

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Yes, and that's in reference to the lunch that was booked for 29 July.

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Is that right?

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That is right In blue, writing to the right of that.

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As we look to the screen, it says 12 o'clock.

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Yes, do you know what that's in reference to?

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That's in reference to Don and Gail coming to pick us up.

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We had to be ready by 12 o'clock, right.

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And then below that fruit, that would be referring to the fruit platter that we were going to be taking to lunch.

00:14:44.174 --> 00:14:48.650
Thank you, some of this and what I've just asked you about, but I want to ask you about your movements.

00:14:48.650 --> 00:14:53.405
Prior I thought, nah, and then turn now to the attendance at Erin's place for the lunch.

00:14:53.405 --> 00:15:02.445
Okay, and you're all travelling to Erin's in Leangatha, so we've just skipped forward a little bit and you all travelled to Erin's house in Leangatha.

00:15:02.445 --> 00:15:03.126
Is that right?

00:15:03.126 --> 00:15:04.519
Yes, that's correct.

00:15:04.519 --> 00:15:09.447
Do you know what time approximately you arrived at Erin's house?

00:15:09.447 --> 00:15:12.501
I would say approximately 12.30.

00:15:12.501 --> 00:15:16.581
I don't wear a watch, so I would say that's about the time.

00:15:16.581 --> 00:15:21.820
Okay, the travel distance between Corrumburra and Leongatha, what is that?

00:15:21.820 --> 00:15:23.303
About 15 minutes.

00:15:23.303 --> 00:15:26.410
So they were quite a bit late.

00:15:26.410 --> 00:15:28.616
Yeah, they were a little bit late.

00:15:29.158 --> 00:15:32.206
When you first arrived, did you or anyone else notice anything?

00:15:32.206 --> 00:15:37.966
In particular, when we pulled into Erin's house, heather said oh, simon's car is not here.

00:15:37.966 --> 00:15:41.004
And what, if anything further was said about that?

00:15:41.004 --> 00:15:46.486
Either Don or Gail I can't remember which one said Simon won't be coming to lunch.

00:15:46.486 --> 00:15:51.263
Did you go into the house or did you go to the house?

00:15:51.263 --> 00:15:57.120
Up to the house, yes, we got out of the car, went over to the house.

00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:59.307
Erin met us and took us into the house.

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Was anyone else present at the house when you got there?

00:16:03.399 --> 00:16:06.124
No, it was just Erin and ourselves.

00:16:06.124 --> 00:16:09.118
Yeah, when you went to the house, where did you go?

00:16:09.118 --> 00:16:12.126
We went into the kitchen dining lounge room.

00:16:12.126 --> 00:16:15.205
It's an open-plan room and we went into that room.

00:16:15.205 --> 00:16:18.644
It was a relatively new build, is that right?

00:16:18.644 --> 00:16:20.000
Yes, a new build.

00:16:20.895 --> 00:16:23.365
Was there any conversation at that point in time?

00:16:23.365 --> 00:16:25.681
There was general conversation.

00:16:25.681 --> 00:16:31.236
Yes, there was how are you's and that sort of thing, and then we started conversing about the house.

00:16:31.236 --> 00:16:34.380
Was there any exploration about the house?

00:16:34.380 --> 00:16:35.662
Was there any exploration of the house?

00:16:35.662 --> 00:16:39.927
No, we just stood in that area on the one spot talking about the house for quite a while.

00:16:39.927 --> 00:16:53.293
The conversation, in my memory, was largely driven by questions from Gail and Heather and during the conversation, erin mentioned that there was a pantry behind a wall in the kitchen area.

00:16:53.177 --> 00:16:56.851
Heather was very interested in pantries at that time because we'd just built one at home.

00:16:56.851 --> 00:17:06.061
Whenever we went to somebody's house where they said we have a pantry, she wanted to look at it because she wanted to get ideas for setting up a pantry.

00:17:06.061 --> 00:17:12.622
So on hearing about the pantry, she just immediately started walking towards it, calling out can I have a look at your pantry?

00:17:12.622 --> 00:17:15.448
And she assumed the answer would be yes.

00:17:15.448 --> 00:17:20.646
She got about halfway to the pantry and Gail decided she would go to the pantry.

00:17:20.646 --> 00:17:25.326
She started following and Heather was calling out to me come and look at the pantry.

00:17:25.326 --> 00:17:32.167
I had noticed that Erin was very reluctant about the visit to the pantry and had not yet started following them.

00:17:32.167 --> 00:17:39.281
So I thought maybe the pantry is a mess and it's going to be an embarrassment, so I won't add to the embarrassment by joining the party.

00:17:39.281 --> 00:17:41.287
Okay, all right.

00:17:41.287 --> 00:17:44.065
So Heather and Gail went to look in the pantry.

00:17:44.065 --> 00:17:50.344
They went to look at the pantry and Erin followed them in and they stood there for some time talking about the pantry.

00:17:50.344 --> 00:17:53.662
Heather called out to me come on, come here and have a look.

00:17:53.662 --> 00:17:56.698
I just thought you decided not to.

00:17:56.698 --> 00:18:00.807
I'd be polite and just stayed where we were standing talking with Dom.

00:18:00.807 --> 00:18:04.924
Did you go anywhere else, in the house or outside the house?

00:18:06.115 --> 00:18:18.984
We reconvened and talked for a little while longer in the dining room and then Heather or Gail I can't remember which one it was suggested we go out to look at the garden and there was an agreement about doing that.

00:18:18.984 --> 00:18:24.480
So we moved out of the house onto the veranda that opened off the dining room and we started talking about the garden.

00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:32.344
There'd been some work done in the garden recently mulch laid, things like that so we were deciding that.

00:18:32.344 --> 00:18:37.522
So we were discussing those sorts of things, the various plants and so on.

00:18:37.522 --> 00:18:41.136
And where was Erin when this was taking place?

00:18:41.136 --> 00:18:43.181
She was with us.

00:18:43.181 --> 00:18:45.805
We were just walking as a.

00:18:45.805 --> 00:18:51.078
We were just walking as a group up to the end of the veranda looking out into the garden.

00:18:51.078 --> 00:18:57.246
It was a bit wet underfoot, I think we looked at the particular bush at the end of the veranda.

00:18:57.246 --> 00:18:58.767
It wasn't doing so well.

00:18:58.767 --> 00:19:01.750
Heather and Gail are both keen gardeners.

00:19:01.750 --> 00:19:08.904
There was discussion about why this plant wasn't doing so well and whether it might be better moved to another location.

00:19:08.904 --> 00:19:10.980
Okay, all right.

00:19:10.980 --> 00:19:15.760
And then after that, did you, did the party, return inside?

00:19:15.760 --> 00:19:25.444
Yes, after a bit of time out there talking about the garden, there was some wind damage to the trees down towards the back fence.

00:19:25.444 --> 00:19:29.058
You know things like that, things to notice in the garden.

00:19:29.058 --> 00:19:33.047
So a bit of conversation and then we wandered back into the house.

00:19:33.047 --> 00:19:34.489
Okay, all right.

00:19:34.974 --> 00:19:37.805
Once you were back inside the house, what happened next?

00:19:37.805 --> 00:19:46.196
That was the time that we started moving towards lunch, as in, preparations for the lunch being served were Okay.

00:19:46.196 --> 00:19:48.344
I want to then ask you about that.

00:19:48.344 --> 00:19:52.625
What preparations were there that you observed in relation to the lunch?

00:19:52.625 --> 00:19:56.942
The only preparations I saw were potatoes being mashed.

00:19:56.942 --> 00:19:59.511
Yes, by whom?

00:19:59.511 --> 00:20:02.131
I saw food being plated up.

00:20:02.131 --> 00:20:03.295
That's all I saw.

00:20:03.295 --> 00:20:08.457
Okay, I just want to go through that step by step with you.

00:20:08.457 --> 00:20:12.954
Firstly, you said you saw potatoes being mashed.

00:20:12.954 --> 00:20:16.233
By whom were they being mashed?

00:20:16.233 --> 00:20:21.875
They were being mashed by Erin, and then did you see any other preparation of the food?

00:20:21.875 --> 00:20:26.708
His Honour, you said you saw the food being plated up.

00:20:26.708 --> 00:20:28.932
Who did you see plating up the food?

00:20:28.932 --> 00:20:30.796
Erin plated up the food.

00:20:30.796 --> 00:20:34.951
Miss Warren, where was Erin when she was doing that?

00:20:34.951 --> 00:20:41.989
When she was plating up the food, she was on the kitchen side of the kitchen bench and she was putting the food on the plates.

00:20:43.191 --> 00:20:49.881
In terms of the kitchen bench, are you able to provide a description of the layout of the kitchen dining room area?

00:20:49.881 --> 00:20:52.711
Yes, I am.

00:20:52.711 --> 00:20:54.410
Could you do that please?

00:20:54.410 --> 00:20:58.012
There was a the kitchen.

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Start with the kitchen.

00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:08.326
Yes, If we start with the kitchen, okay, okay, if we start with the kitchen.

00:21:08.326 --> 00:21:13.538
There was a bench that ran out dividing the kitchen area proper from the dining area.

00:21:13.538 --> 00:21:16.088
Erin was on the kitchen side of the bench.

00:21:16.088 --> 00:21:19.846
On the opposite side of the bench, heather and Gail were standing.

00:21:19.846 --> 00:21:26.336
Then there was the kitchen table immediately behind them, and Don and I were on the other side of the kitchen table.

00:21:26.336 --> 00:21:30.932
Okay, all right, we might bring up an image which I'll tender your Honour.

00:21:30.932 --> 00:21:36.487
And then Mr Mandy, who is Erin's barrister, says no objection.

00:21:37.708 --> 00:21:45.457
Miss Warren, do you recognise this as the dining room and off to the left, as you look at the picture, the kitchen of Aaron's house?

00:21:45.457 --> 00:21:49.580
Yes, I tender your honour, his honour, yes.

00:21:49.580 --> 00:21:53.596
Exhibit six photo of Aaron's dining kitchen area.

00:21:53.596 --> 00:21:59.336
This next bit I actually listened to it while it happened.

00:21:59.336 --> 00:22:03.655
But basically what's going on is Ian's chair.

00:22:03.655 --> 00:22:07.311
You know, sometimes like you've got an office chair and they just degas.

00:22:07.311 --> 00:22:10.598
That's what happened to Ian.

00:22:10.598 --> 00:22:17.939
So that's you witness, where it says there Right, my chair has subsided suddenly.

00:22:17.939 --> 00:22:21.089
That's a bit better, miss Warren.

00:22:21.089 --> 00:22:22.814
That should be uploaded now.

00:22:22.854 --> 00:22:24.457
Your Honour, his Honour.

00:22:24.457 --> 00:22:29.053
Yes, miss Warren, have you got that there in front of you?

00:22:29.053 --> 00:22:36.298
Mr Wilkinson, yes, so you've described the kitchen and then the bench that divided the kitchen from the dining room.

00:22:36.298 --> 00:22:38.772
So we don't see that to the left of the photo?

00:22:38.772 --> 00:22:44.285
Yes, and in your evidence you said that Erin was on the kitchen side of the bench.

00:22:44.285 --> 00:22:45.027
Is that correct?

00:22:45.027 --> 00:22:46.289
That is correct.

00:22:46.289 --> 00:22:51.470
You said that Gail and Heather were on the other side of the bench, the dining room side of the bench.

00:22:51.470 --> 00:22:54.576
Yes, now how close were they to the bench?

00:22:54.576 --> 00:22:57.288
They were leaning against the side of the bench.

00:22:57.288 --> 00:23:03.096
And then you said that you and Don were on the other side of the table.

00:23:03.096 --> 00:23:03.917
Is that correct?

00:23:03.917 --> 00:23:05.059
That is correct.

00:23:05.059 --> 00:23:10.694
So, as we look at that photograph, you're aware to the far right of the photograph.

00:23:10.694 --> 00:23:11.457
Is that right?

00:23:11.457 --> 00:23:16.874
Yes, I should repeat that you were to the far right of that photograph.

00:23:16.874 --> 00:23:17.715
Is that correct?

00:23:17.715 --> 00:23:22.974
Yes, and this is at the point in time when the meal was being served.

00:23:22.974 --> 00:23:24.258
Is that right?

00:23:24.258 --> 00:23:25.988
That is correct.

00:23:26.589 --> 00:23:29.507
His Honour being plated being plated.

00:23:29.507 --> 00:23:30.869
Yes, miss Warren.

00:23:30.869 --> 00:23:31.672
Yes, thank you.

00:23:32.473 --> 00:23:33.916
I just want to go back a step.

00:23:33.916 --> 00:23:36.151
You said that you saw potatoes being mashed.

00:23:36.151 --> 00:23:37.496
I just want to be clear.

00:23:37.496 --> 00:23:41.347
Did you see any other food being prepared other than the potatoes?

00:23:41.347 --> 00:23:45.596
No, from where you were standing, could you see Erin plating up the food?

00:23:45.596 --> 00:23:50.635
Yes, was there any discussion between anyone about plating up the food?

00:23:50.635 --> 00:23:52.309
Yes, there was.

00:23:52.309 --> 00:23:54.750
What was that?

00:23:54.750 --> 00:24:02.013
Both Heather and Gail were offering to help plate up the food, and was that offer accepted or not?

00:24:02.013 --> 00:24:05.694
No, the offer was rejected and Aaron plated.

00:24:06.365 --> 00:24:09.374
And did Aaron plate all the food that went onto the plates?

00:24:09.374 --> 00:24:10.236
All the food?

00:24:10.236 --> 00:24:13.810
What was on the plates, please?

00:24:13.810 --> 00:24:17.959
There was mashed potatoes, green beans and a beef wellington.

00:24:17.959 --> 00:24:22.636
The beef wellington did you see where that came from before it was plated?

00:24:22.636 --> 00:24:23.318
No, I didn't.

00:24:23.318 --> 00:24:23.798
Can you describe what the individual beef wellington?

00:24:23.798 --> 00:24:24.135
Did you see where that came from before it was plated?

00:24:24.135 --> 00:24:24.178
No, I didn't.

00:24:24.178 --> 00:24:27.734
Can you describe what the individual beef wellington looked like?

00:24:27.734 --> 00:24:30.693
Each person had an individual serve.

00:24:30.693 --> 00:24:33.109
It was very much like a pasty.

00:24:33.109 --> 00:24:40.016
If you imagine a pasty being put on a plate, it was a pastry case and when we cut into it there were steak and mushrooms.

00:24:40.016 --> 00:24:50.715
Okay, so each person had one, each person had one, each person had an individual serve and you described it very much like a pasty, very much like a pasty.

00:24:50.715 --> 00:24:56.642
Was it enclosed or open, completely pastry encased, okay?

00:24:56.701 --> 00:25:01.653
So Louise and I, we were just on a mission which we sabotaged terribly.

00:25:01.653 --> 00:25:17.991
There was this duck out the front of like Louise's business here, right, and we thought it was injured, honest to God, because it had been hanging around for hours and when we went out there it was kind of like in the duck version of what would you say, like in the fetal position.

00:25:17.991 --> 00:25:22.150
Yeah, yeah, didn't look, didn't look happy, it was letting us get way too close to it.

00:25:22.150 --> 00:25:26.018
So we rang up WIRES and we said we'd like to report an injured duck.

00:25:26.018 --> 00:25:28.711
So they said we had to get a washing basket.

00:25:28.711 --> 00:25:40.914
And luckily, because Louise runs a dance studio, the Tribe Collective you had a washing basket, yes, so then I rang my poor husband, because he gets all these jobs.

00:25:40.914 --> 00:25:50.960
We said you've got to come, because that's what the wise people told us we had to put a washing basket over the duck so he didn't get like what pecked from above or something.

00:25:50.960 --> 00:25:53.573
Yeah, yeah, because he was vulnerable to prey.

00:25:53.573 --> 00:25:55.028
They said Vulnerable to prey.

00:25:55.028 --> 00:25:57.813
So my husband turns up.

00:25:57.813 --> 00:26:02.770
He did for like maybe two milliseconds he did get the bird.

00:26:02.770 --> 00:26:11.175
The bird flew off Because I had this theory it couldn't fly and I was saying to Louise oh no, don't you think if I got that close it would fly off?

00:26:11.175 --> 00:26:16.136
So anyway, that's what happened while we were doing our mid-podcast break.

00:26:16.136 --> 00:26:20.807
Yeah, it turns out nothing wrong with the duck, anyway.

00:26:20.807 --> 00:26:24.172
But thank you to the people at WIRES, they've got a good service, don't they?

00:26:24.172 --> 00:26:28.309
Well, they do, and they're very caring and compassionate about animals, and that's lovely.

00:26:28.309 --> 00:26:29.213
It is lovely.

00:26:29.213 --> 00:26:30.750
So there goes the duck.

00:26:31.184 --> 00:26:33.750
So shall we start again with this?

00:26:33.750 --> 00:26:37.798
Yes, okay, all right.

00:26:37.798 --> 00:26:40.852
And you said that there was inside.

00:26:40.852 --> 00:26:46.991
There was, I beg your pardon, his Honour, steak and mushrooms, miss Warren, steak and mushrooms.

00:26:46.991 --> 00:26:49.510
Thank you, steak and mushrooms inside it.

00:26:49.510 --> 00:26:51.096
Yes, that's correct.

00:26:51.096 --> 00:26:56.176
Is that something you were aware of before you cut into it or after you cut into it?

00:26:56.176 --> 00:26:58.090
It was after I cut into it.

00:26:58.090 --> 00:26:59.690
Okay, all right.

00:26:59.690 --> 00:27:02.113
Was anything else added to the plate?

00:27:02.113 --> 00:27:03.733
Any condiments, anything of that nature?

00:27:03.733 --> 00:27:04.037
I didn't add anything to it.

00:27:04.037 --> 00:27:04.106
Okay, all right.

00:27:04.106 --> 00:27:04.365
Was anything else added to the plate?

00:27:04.365 --> 00:27:04.647
Any condiments, anything of that nature?

00:27:04.647 --> 00:27:06.809
I didn't add anything to mine.

00:27:06.809 --> 00:27:13.451
There may have been gravy available on the table Now at the time that Erin was plating the food.

00:27:14.153 --> 00:27:16.137
So we're still at the kitchen bench.

00:27:16.137 --> 00:27:23.409
I've asked you whether or not you had a view of whether you could see, specifically, could you see the plates that she was using?

00:27:23.409 --> 00:27:30.386
Yes, I could see the plates, and where, firstly, were the plates as the food was being plated?

00:27:30.386 --> 00:27:33.452
There were five plates, of course.

00:27:33.452 --> 00:27:36.980
Perhaps I'll be clear about my question.

00:27:36.980 --> 00:27:38.346
Were they.

00:27:38.346 --> 00:27:43.477
We've had the bench described that was divided between the kitchen and the dining room.

00:27:43.477 --> 00:27:46.711
Yes, and there were other areas of the kitchen.

00:27:46.711 --> 00:27:51.516
Presumably when in the kitchen were the plates where the food was plated on?

00:27:51.516 --> 00:27:53.892
Sorry, could you repeat that?

00:27:53.892 --> 00:27:55.009
I lost that last bit.

00:27:55.009 --> 00:27:59.476
Where in the kitchen were the plates when the food was being put onto them?

00:27:59.476 --> 00:28:01.230
They were on the kitchen bench.

00:28:01.230 --> 00:28:06.268
Okay, on that bench that divides the kitchen and the dining room.

00:28:06.268 --> 00:28:10.016
Yes, and I could see them between Heather and Gail.

00:28:10.016 --> 00:28:12.987
Okay, you said that there were five plates.

00:28:13.729 --> 00:28:16.413
Yes, can you describe the plates please?

00:28:16.413 --> 00:28:23.115
Yes, there were four large grey dinner plates and one smaller plate a different colour.

00:28:23.115 --> 00:28:26.094
I think it was an orangey-tan sort of colour.

00:28:26.094 --> 00:28:29.354
What colour were the four large dining plates?

00:28:29.354 --> 00:28:39.971
They were a grey colour, different shades of grey, light grey, dark grey, somewhere in between, sort of a middle grey, we'll say.

00:28:39.971 --> 00:28:42.692
And you described the smaller plates.

00:28:42.692 --> 00:28:44.771
You said an orangey tan colour.

00:28:44.771 --> 00:28:50.115
Yep, once the food was plated, how were those plates distributed?

00:28:50.115 --> 00:28:52.212
Who distributed those plates?

00:28:52.212 --> 00:29:05.070
Well, the plates were distributed by three different people Gail picked up the two grey plates and put them on the table, heather picked up the two grey plates and put them on the table, and Erin picked up the odd plate and carried it to the table.

00:29:05.070 --> 00:29:06.974
Did Erin take that plate?

00:29:06.974 --> 00:29:12.053
She took it to her place at the table.

00:29:12.526 --> 00:29:19.138
Now, turning to the table, were there any formal seating arrangements or was it a casual arrangement?

00:29:19.138 --> 00:29:21.189
It was a casual arrangement.

00:29:21.189 --> 00:29:23.816
We just seemed to naturally sit down in place.

00:29:23.816 --> 00:29:30.394
All right, do you, as you sit here today, recall who sat where?

00:29:30.394 --> 00:29:31.737
Yes, I do.

00:29:31.737 --> 00:29:36.490
Don sat furthest away from me, on the right hand, on my right hand side.

00:29:36.490 --> 00:29:39.278
He was sitting with his back to the kitchen bench.

00:29:40.545 --> 00:29:44.346
His Honour, could you use the photograph that you were shown before?

00:29:44.346 --> 00:29:46.849
Yes, that's Exhibit 6.

00:29:46.849 --> 00:29:51.077
Miss Warren, exhibit 6, we'll bring that up.

00:29:51.077 --> 00:29:54.849
His Honour, have you got that up on your screen there?

00:29:54.849 --> 00:29:58.597
I do, yes, good, all right, miss Warren.

00:29:58.597 --> 00:30:03.434
What we might do, Mr Wilkinson, is can you mark that on the screen?

00:30:03.434 --> 00:30:08.615
It's a touch screen so you don't have to do anything except mark where I asked you to.

00:30:09.297 --> 00:30:13.733
Now, looking at that photograph, we were just talking about where Don was sitting.

00:30:13.733 --> 00:30:22.394
Firstly, could you mark that please, where Don was perhaps using a D, you've gone with an X.

00:30:22.394 --> 00:30:24.096
Are you able to put a D A D?

00:30:24.096 --> 00:30:29.448
There is an XD.

00:30:29.448 --> 00:30:37.423
His Honour, are we able to put it up on the screen there so that I can see it.

00:30:37.423 --> 00:30:39.115
Excuse me a moment.

00:30:39.115 --> 00:30:40.536
All right, it's working.

00:30:40.536 --> 00:30:44.700
I supposed to be up on that screen but it's not working at the moment.

00:30:45.280 --> 00:30:47.011
There it is, miss Warren.

00:30:47.011 --> 00:30:49.299
If there's no objection, I might start again.

00:30:49.299 --> 00:30:51.657
His Honour, you've put a yellow mark there.

00:30:51.657 --> 00:30:52.634
It looks to me like a D.

00:30:52.634 --> 00:30:58.080
Miss Warren said okay, we'll call it a D A.

00:30:58.080 --> 00:30:58.801
Pretty funny D.

00:30:58.801 --> 00:31:08.611
Miss Warren, can we please mark where Gail was sitting with a G, with a G that kind of looks like a C?

00:31:08.611 --> 00:31:11.174
Yeah, that's the one.

00:31:11.174 --> 00:31:20.653
And then please, if you could mark where heather was sitting, and then yourself with an I, and then erin, please, with an e.

00:31:20.653 --> 00:31:22.576
I'll tender that as mark.

00:31:22.576 --> 00:31:23.018
Your honor.

00:31:23.018 --> 00:31:25.102
His honor, yes.

00:31:25.782 --> 00:31:26.704
Exhibit seven.

00:31:26.704 --> 00:31:30.820
Photo of dining table seats marked by ian wilkinson.

00:31:30.820 --> 00:31:34.230
Miss warren, that's just being uploaded.

00:31:34.230 --> 00:31:37.400
Your honor, well, perhaps just wait for that to happen.

00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:39.295
His Honour, have you got all that?

00:31:39.295 --> 00:31:42.192
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you, miss Warren.

00:31:42.272 --> 00:31:53.769
Mr Wilkinson, I've asked you about how the plates were distributed and you've given evidence that Erin carried the smaller orangey-tan coloured plate to where she was sitting at the table.

00:31:53.769 --> 00:31:58.434
I just want to ask you to be very specific about this what type of plate?

00:31:58.434 --> 00:32:00.640
From the descriptions that you have given.

00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.042
Did you eat from?

00:32:02.042 --> 00:32:14.994
I ate from a grey plate, heather A grey plate, gail A grey plate, don A grey plate and Erin A rusty coloured plate, orangey tan plate, whatever it was.

00:32:15.997 --> 00:32:19.301
Prior to eating the meal, was anything done or said?

00:32:19.301 --> 00:32:21.005
We said grace.

00:32:21.005 --> 00:32:23.978
And then did you eat the meal?

00:32:23.978 --> 00:32:25.715
Yes, we began eating.

00:32:25.715 --> 00:32:29.398
Was there conversation during the meal?

00:32:29.398 --> 00:32:32.616
Yes, just a little conversation.

00:32:32.757 --> 00:32:36.816
Comments about the meal In terms of portions of the meal eaten.

00:32:36.816 --> 00:32:39.603
Did you all or none of you eat your meal?

00:32:39.603 --> 00:32:41.715
I ate the entire meal.

00:32:41.715 --> 00:32:42.920
What about Heather?

00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:46.200
She ate the entire meal and Gail?

00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:49.539
She ate her vegetables and half of the beef wellington.

00:32:49.539 --> 00:32:51.656
And then what about Don?

00:32:51.656 --> 00:32:57.911
Don ate his entire meal and he ate the half of the beef wellington that Erin, that Gail didn't eat.

00:32:57.911 --> 00:33:01.298
And there was some banter or teasing about that.

00:33:01.298 --> 00:33:02.039
Is that right?

00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:03.810
Yes, that's what I remember.

00:33:03.810 --> 00:33:08.926
There was talk about husbands helping their wives out by eating extra food.

00:33:08.926 --> 00:33:14.872
Heather mentioned we should have shared a beef wellington because she thought the meal was a bit on the larger side for her.

00:33:14.872 --> 00:33:19.782
So that's the reason I remember who ate it because of that little exchange.

00:33:20.509 --> 00:33:21.291
What about Erin?

00:33:21.291 --> 00:33:24.000
Did you notice or see how much she ate.

00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:27.179
I can't say with certainty how much she ate.

00:33:27.179 --> 00:33:28.986
She was definitely eating.

00:33:28.986 --> 00:33:32.558
I don't remember any comments like you didn't eat much or anything like that.

00:33:32.558 --> 00:33:38.894
All right, I'm not sure if I asked you this before, so I'll apologise if I'm repeating this.

00:33:39.537 --> 00:33:42.522
Did every plate have the same food items on it?

00:33:42.522 --> 00:33:46.420
Yes, and that includes Erin's plate.

00:33:46.420 --> 00:33:52.241
Yes, once that part of the lunch was eaten, was there anything else served?

00:33:52.241 --> 00:33:56.381
Gail had taken a cake and there was the fruit platter that Heather had arranged.

00:33:56.381 --> 00:33:58.133
Was the cake consumed?

00:33:58.133 --> 00:34:00.137
Not much cake was consumed.

00:34:00.137 --> 00:34:01.721
Not much fruit was consumed.

00:34:01.721 --> 00:34:07.222
We were all fairly full from the main course Of the cake and fruit that was consumed.

00:34:07.222 --> 00:34:08.972
How was that served?

00:34:08.972 --> 00:34:12.081
It was a help yourself off plates on the table.

00:34:13.130 --> 00:34:16.721
His Honour, miss Warren, I want to give the jury a break at a convenient time.

00:34:16.721 --> 00:34:22.382
Miss Warren, yes, can I ask just a couple more questions and then I'll to the witness.

00:34:22.382 --> 00:34:27.762
You said that it was a help yourself in terms of any plates that were used by any individuals.

00:34:27.762 --> 00:34:31.018
Were the same plates used or were the different plates used?

00:34:31.018 --> 00:34:32.824
I can't recall.

00:34:32.824 --> 00:34:39.623
Just finally, before we take a break, were any drinks consumed throughout the lunch or after the lunch?

00:34:39.623 --> 00:34:42.619
I remember a glass of water at the lunch?

00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:47.815
Yep, that is a convenient time, his Honour, all right.

00:34:47.815 --> 00:34:53.380
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, we're going to take a 15-minute break, mr Wilkinson, thank you.

00:34:54.110 --> 00:35:05.021
At 11.56am the jury left the court and Louise and I might leave the podcast and we can get back to later do a few more of these.

00:35:05.021 --> 00:35:12.079
But thank you, louise, that was absolutely awesome, you helping me out and our attempted animal saviour.

00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:15.269
Yeah, listen, what an afternoon, oh gosh.

00:35:15.269 --> 00:35:16.351
I think we just injected chaos into that.

00:35:16.351 --> 00:35:17.152
Listen, what an afternoon, oh gosh.

00:35:17.152 --> 00:35:19.675
I think we just injected chaos into that, didn't we?

00:35:19.675 --> 00:35:21.918
I think we did Bouncing off each other.

00:35:21.918 --> 00:35:23.018
I think it's not well.

00:35:23.018 --> 00:35:23.659
It's not well.

00:35:23.659 --> 00:35:24.800
I can see the green bit.

00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.646
Remember, you saw the green feather and I was like, yeah, that can't be good.

00:35:28.646 --> 00:35:34.856
No, that's why I'm a podcaster and that's why you are an entrepreneur.

00:35:34.856 --> 00:35:37.503
Yep, we're not vets.

00:35:37.503 --> 00:35:39.376
No, definitely not.

00:35:39.376 --> 00:35:40.909
But thank you everyone for listening.

00:35:41.231 --> 00:35:46.596
Okay, this week the jury's going out today, monday, we shall see what happens.

00:35:46.596 --> 00:35:57.362
The judge is going to have a quick chat to them and just clarify a few areas of law and then they go, and they're going to be for the week.

00:35:57.362 --> 00:36:22.000
Depends how long it takes, though it's hard to tell how long juries will take, so I can't say, but they're going to be sequestered in a hotel room, which basically means the only chatting about the case that they'll do is in the jury room, and then they'll be sent to a hotel just to keep them away from media People like myself, louise, you big, scary person, you?

00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:23.503
No, I'm a lover of animals.

00:36:23.503 --> 00:36:27.215
Clearly, we're rescuers.

00:36:27.215 --> 00:36:28.416
Now we're rescuers.

00:36:28.998 --> 00:36:34.914
Okay, this is probably a bit too frenzied for this time of the day, but you know it's not often this happens.

00:36:34.914 --> 00:36:35.375
Is it, louise?

00:36:35.375 --> 00:36:37.217
For this time of the day, but you know it's not often this happens, is it Louise?

00:36:37.217 --> 00:36:37.498
Well, it's not.

00:36:37.498 --> 00:36:38.980
I mean, I didn't expect to.

00:36:38.980 --> 00:36:40.380
You know, turn up.

00:36:40.380 --> 00:36:42.925
Do this podcast have to rescue an animal?

00:36:42.925 --> 00:36:51.061
Because we're in, like, we're in the Newcastle area and you don't expect to see ducks every day except at the park.

00:36:51.061 --> 00:36:58.532
Well, yeah, and we're in the CBD, exactly, we're across from Woolworths, yes, so, anyway.

00:36:58.532 --> 00:37:06.018
So I will chat to you all very, very soon, but I will come back with more of these this week, depending on how long it takes with the jury.

00:37:07.472 --> 00:37:09.719
So, thank you so much for your time today.

00:37:09.719 --> 00:37:11.898
We really appreciate it.

00:37:11.898 --> 00:37:16.797
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00:37:16.797 --> 00:37:21.360
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00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:26.521
You need to be there, but have a great week, look after yourself.

00:37:26.521 --> 00:37:28.576
We've apparently got some terrible weather coming.

00:37:28.576 --> 00:37:30.851
We do so lucky.

00:37:30.851 --> 00:37:32.438
We did rescue that duck then.

00:37:32.438 --> 00:37:37.456
Yes, not that we did, but anyway, all right, have a good one, thank you.

00:37:37.456 --> 00:37:39.795
Thank you to louise bye.

00:37:39.795 --> 00:37:41.699
This episode is.

00:37:41.699 --> 00:37:50.480
This episode is dedicated to ducky ducky.

00:37:50.480 --> 00:37:54.365
We didn't know you very long, but you made an impact.

00:37:54.365 --> 00:37:56.708
Yes, ducky, and then they're off.